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AustinGata
After waiting 10 years for this book, I was disappointed that Auel felt she needed to include EVERY piece of information she'd learned in that time in the book. It was more a platform for what Auel learned through her exhaustive research rather than a continuation of Ayla's story. For the first time in this series, I found myself just paging through some of the heavy-handed showing of Auel's knowledge that did nothing to further the story. I hope she doesn't wait another 10 years, however, because --yes--I will read the last book in the series and do not care to 'just page through' any of it.
rogmon
Repitious? You bet! Long-winded? Uh huh! Did I like it? You betcha. Alot of people will write that there was nothing new in this book, and that the character development was weak. I can't argue with them. For me, however, this was a welcome break. It was nice to catch up with all of the wonderful gifts that Ayla and Jondalar were able to bring to his family. It was nice to have the focus on them settling into an established "clan" that you knew would be a permanent home. Now that all of this is done, I can't wait for the next book, which should be called, " Ayla, The First, The Last, My Everything". Jean Auel's best work. Not a chance. By the way, I just started reading it again.
Lynne
I was a little disappointed with this volume of Jean Auel's wonderful epic series. There is little action and suspense. Most of the new characters are shallowly portrayed, and, at times, childishly simplistic. Also, Auel's detailed descriptions of the environment are a bit more tedious in this volume.
HOWEVER... That being said, fans of the series know the established characters so well, that they will slog through this book just like I did because they just have to. The four previous books in the series have made us care so much about Ayla, Jondalar and their animal friends that they are like family. And you will always love your family, even when they are not at their best.
Another Actual Guy
a love-HATE relationship
My experience with this series can be compared to a drug addiction. I don’t like it but I need more. As a young adolescent I traversed the Jack London/Louis L'Amour historical novel landscape. One day I decided to venture into pre-historical novels when I heard about Jean M. Auel’s research for her books. She actually walked along the land, like Louis and Jack did.
I loved Clan of the Cave Bear. Great book. The Valley of the Horses wasn’t bad, except for the ending turning into a ROMANCE NOVEL!
I was hooked on the characters. Hook line and sinker! I feel like I was talked into buying a set of encyclopedias.
Mammoth Hunters & Plains of Passage, I had to read in secrecy. I was actually reading romance novels! One after the other, I couldn’t believe it. This did my egos no favors. Now a couple of the love scenes I did appreciate, but SERIOUSLY, so much? My purpose for reading the books wasn’t to get off.
After recently reading The Shelters of Stone I have come to a conclusion about Jean M. Auel’s writing: She writes every book with the assumption that the reader has not read the previous books. Thus the exhausting rehash of everything, to everybody new she meets. Did I need to know how every person of Zelandonii reacted to Wolf, to her accent, to the horses, to her magnificent beauty? Geeez.
Just because some of Jean M. Auel’s previous books were quite long, she feels she needs to churn out an equal number of pages in every book. I would not object to a 450 page, hell a 300 page book. Especially, if the alternative is filler the likes of which resembles my 12th grade (25 page minimum) term paper on censorship. Ugh.
Jean m. Auel obviously possess a vast reservoir of pre-history knowledge and doesn’t hesitate to share in an attempt to fill more pages to reach her telephone book quota. I wish the storytelling was worked on with the same fervor as the fact cramming was. However in the previous books there was always an artifact section of actually excavated tools, vessels, statuettes, etc. – which Jean M. Auel had woven into the story. I missed this in The Shelters of the Stone. I enjoyed that section in the previous books.
By the way, all the love scenes and the times we read about Ayla’s beauty have been ruined by the thought that nobody really shaved then, unless Jondalar and Ayla single-handedly thrust the Zelondonii people into the Iron Age. I’ll bet any money, Ayla and Jondalar develop the wheel in the next book.
This book could have been easily edited down to a slim 450 pages and it would have been good, but reading the 800 some page book is the literary version of hitting yourself in the forehead with a wooden plank, over and over and over again, and liking it.
Hey “An Actual Guy”, you forgot about the reunion of Ayla and Durc during a Clan summer meeting where Ayla leads a delegation of animals and Zelondonii traders in order to open communication and trading lines. But Ayla does not exist to the clan because she has a death curse – and hilarity shall ensue.
Lorelei
I'd like to thank many of you for your reviews. I thought I was the only one disappointed with the content of some of this series...
I thought Clan of the Cave Bear was amazing and wonderful. It brought me to a very different place, time and people and sucked me in. Most of all, I could feel these people. Both their differences and their similarities to people of today.
So I read the second book, The Valley of Horses. Also, quite cool. How would any of us deal with being isolated and alone for so long? The little details in this book were very real and human- befriending animals and carving a face into snow (remember Wilson in Cast Away?) Then finally meeting someone and not being able to speak, let alone falling in love and getting romantic. Lots more fun in this book, but...
The Mammoth Hunters. Here's where I found I could no longer read through another description of plants or Ayla's and Jondalars sex-capades. Forgive me, but the sex scenes got trite in the second book and didn't improve in this third book. Although, there were more sex scenes, making me wonder if this was deemed necessary in order to sell the book. Last but not least, the long winded 'break up' between Jondalar and Ayla was unbelievable and tedious.
But I had hope, really. My fertile imagination was already imagining all the possibilities for the fourth book. I read one reviewer in this discussion who had some great ideas for the last book. While his story line wouldn't be mine, it was more interesting than what I read in Mammoth Hunters or Plains of Passage.
Plains of Passage is agonizing and boring. We meet various societies, most of which are slight variations of each other. If you cut out the sex scenes, the plants, the repetition, and consolidate the groups of people into one (because that's all you've got, one basic societal frame work) you probably have a 35 page book filled with short adventures. Only two scenes worth keeping in this book: the abduction of Jondalar by the 'evil' women and saved by Ayla (too funny) and their encounter with the Clan couple.
I'm about half way through Shelters of Stone. So far it is a summary of the previous books. Obviously the author thinks I'm an idiot and can't possibly remember anything from the previous books (or within three pages of this book). After 400 pages, filled mainly with repeated introductions of long winded names and the wonders of the great Ayla, the only interesting/ new things could have been written in a 15 page short story. Though I must admit, meeting the love of Jondalar's life (before Ayla) and finding she's the size of a small cow made me giggle. Ayla insisting on wearing boy's long underwear and puberty belt is also rather funny, but is this worth 400 pages?
They say it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings... well, Jondalar's ex-girlfriend did that around page 340 so there's only 543 pages to go. That seems to sum it up.
(I won't be reading the next book unless I hear something good about it... there are too many great books out there to waste time re-reading this same stuff over and over and over and over and over and over....)
AN ACTUAL GUY
I am male, yet, after resisting the entire series for years on the basis these were women's books, I picked up the first in a hotel lobby. I got caught up in the characters and I was hooked. I've read all five books in the past two months. I couldn't help but notice that nearly nothing happened in the first 300 pages of Plains of Passage. One felt like they were with A and J traversing the monotonous steppes, etc, and more desperate than they were for them to meet some people. Part of what held the interest, though, was the odd suspense in waiting to see what might spontaneously develop.
With this new book, Shelters of Stone, we should be getting to the payoff from that long journey. Yet with an introduction to a new society, we again find that almost nothing happens -- except more apparent set up. Somewhere, there is a real story waiting to come out. I'd almost have Ayla hop on the lion again just to see somebody react. Auel needs to let some good ghost writers in on the action. Plot for next book: The flatheads get riled up and open up a can of prehistoric whoop-ass on the Zelandonii. Only Ayla's intervention prevents early disaster, but the Zelandonii, already suspicious of her clan loving proclivities in the tide of rising inter-genus friction, misinterpret her actions in appeasing and communicating with the clan. The conflict erupts violently while cave leaders are together on a special hunting trip. Ayla is there as their medicine woman, sent by Zelandoni in her place because Zelandoni is ill. The conflict erupts in the territory of the 14th cave. Some leaders are killed. Zelandoni of the 14th, already emboldened by Zelandoni's illness and seeking opportunity for herself as her presumptive successor, fosters putting the blame on Ayla, Zelondoni's acolyte. In fact, her interference prevents Ayla from saving more of those attacked -- on both sides of the conflict. Zelondoni Fourteenth is supported by the Fifth and coniving acolyte Madroman, trusted with relaying the events in question to the other Zelandoni. The hunting trip with the leaders was intended to allow them to get to know Ayla and see how invaluable she could be. Ayla herself hoped to build some consensus to allow her to approach the local flatheads to act as ambassador and ease tensions. But Ayla is blamed for the violence. Only Zelandoni's timely intervention, conferred through the spirit world, prevents the local authorities at the 14th cave from imposing sentence of death by exposure. Ayla does not even try to save herself until contacted by Z in the spirit world, under guise of Creb, b/c Ayla blames herself for not saving more of the wounded in the confrontation and/or not preventing it. The interaction also helps restore Zelandoni. But Ayla's activities remain restricted as the conflict deepens. Jondalar is forced to live among the Clan to get back to Ayla, the only hope for his people -- and his efforts brand him as a traitor among his own people -- until he reunites with A and all is dramatically set to right. Meanwhile, Jonayla is left to the care of Lanoga(?), who has to protect the infant from her own parents, who want to use the conflict to rise from their own low status, with the stunning and timely aid of her young lame-arm would-be mate, trained well by Jondalar in use of the spear thrower. In the end, the Zelandonii learn a valuable lesson about what it means to be human and develop a deep understanding for their doomed counterparts of the Clan, who simply cannot adapt. The conflict resolves when the people of the clan, unable to cope with the Zelandoni's interaction in peace any better than in war, strike out on their own to find a niche in the increasingly far between lands untrodden by the Others, or to die in the search -- but only after the Zelondii take part in a ritual giving them access to Clan memories, forever changing those in attendance and ensuring Ayla's own future position as First. [Jean: please fill in 500 pages of repetitive herbal remedy lore, endless flint knapping details and at least 23 sex scenes, and we should have another best seller. -- Thanx, Tim.]
Maridell
I was so thrilled that the book came out - I listen to the book on tape during my commute to work. I have listened to all of them on tape. I have to say that I found the research interesting, in fact enough to do a little research on the Web myself. My disapountment is that it became more a text book than fiction - the ending made me want to drive off the road....but...I will listen to the next book...I am not sure that if I were reading it instead of listening I wouldn't have paged ahead -
B. Finley
If this book had come out within a few years after Plains of Passage, I would probably not be feeling as disappointed as I do. A lot happened in the 4th book, and if this one had come out a couple of years later, it would have probably felt like a necessary rest & regrouping. Only problem is, we've had 12 years to rest & regroup!!! So, sorry, I wanted a little more excitement and suspense than we got. I also thought there were too many things that were introduced that didn't get developed properly. But I have been attached to these characters for years, so I will probably see them through to the end. I did find one other poster's comment about the female/male issue interesting, as I wondered the exact same thing while I was reading this book. Back when I was reading the 4th book I knew some men who were into this series. But I would be very surprised if most of them stayed with it after this 5th book, or for that matter, it they even finished it.