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The Rose Arbor


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Did you believe Liz’s father’s version of the events? Do you think he responded correctly once he found out Liz knew the truth about her origins? What would you have done in his shoes? In Liz’s?

Created: 08/07/24

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kimk

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Did you believe Liz’s father’s version of the events? Do you think he responded correctly once he found out Liz knew the truth about her origins? What would you have done in his shoes? In Liz’s?

Did you believe Liz’s father’s version of the events that took place during the war? Do you think he responded correctly once he found out Liz knew the truth about her origins? What would you have done in his shoes? What would you have done in Liz’s?


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kimk

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I didn't believe her father at ALL, and I was surprised that Liz wasn't more upset about both his past and his present actions. In my opinion, the man was a two-time murderer and should have been in jail!


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larryandcarols

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I did not find Liz's father credible. He was the responsible parent in the family and he put his own reputation and that of his wife over the well-being of his adopted daughter. The truth is always the best course of action. He may well have been responsible directly or indirectly for the deaths of two people. I wondered how Liz would feel as years passed. I think she was in shock immediately after she uncovered these details.


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BBO

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I think he responded correctly in telling Liz the truth. But I didn't like the part of doing away with the mother.


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Janet Smith

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Agree, I did not find Liz’s father credible. He should have told Liz the truth years ago. And, I am not sure I agree with him killing his wife.


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kate

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I think her Father was only concerned about how people would view the "adoption" and had nobodys feelings taken into consideration expect his own. He was a very shallow, weak man that held no credibilty what so ever! I would not believe a word that comes out of his mouth. I do think he killed the wife, and possibly even Alice as well!


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MariontheLibrarian

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NO! I even question his values. He was only concerned about his reputation and only incidentally how his actions affected others. While attempting to portray a loving and strong man, he was actually weak.


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mtnluvr

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I had suspicions about Liz's father all along and did not find him credible. While he and Liz's mother may have started with good intentions and felt that they were protecting Liz, he should have told Liz the truth. I do not think that he was an honorable man, but rather only tried to protect himself and his own reputation.


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christineb

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I found his story believable. I think Liz's mother was truly upset that her daughter preferred Alice rather than herself. I could believe that they fought and Alice hit her head. On the other hand,Liz's mother always seemed happy when she thought "Alice" Liz came to visit. Both parents seemed to have their secrets and the reader is left having the choice to believe the version in the book or not.


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mceacd

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Of all the characters in the book, I understood Liz’s father the least. I believe it was Liz’s decision to believe him or not. She had to come to terms with her parents’ selfish and unethical actions. It is easy to judge that he cared most about his reputation just as Liz’s mother cared for her interest over the life of Alice, even of Liz. Each secret required a subsequent secret that ultimately hurt them all.

I would like to think legal adoption when Liz was a baby would have solved a lot of problems. When Alice died, police should have been informed of accidental manslaughter. The Brigadier would have enough clout to carry the day. All the other events created by the secrets would have been avoided. In general, people create greater problems when they hide the truth.


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jhoov

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I didn't find him trustworthy at all. I am left feeling unsure about where the truth lies. Hope Liz doesn't stay connected to him.


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joang

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He was one of at least three people I did not trust from the very beginning. I did not trust him, DI Jones and James. It did not surprise me then that he played a more ominous role in the story. One of the themes in the book is adoptive mothers vs biologic mothers. Adoptive mothers were raising three children in the book. It seemed as if two of the biologic mothers wanted their children back. The fact that Alice wanted Liz set the cascade of murder into motion. I think he killed Alice. Not sure it was an accident as he described..


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JHSiess

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Nope. I suspected him from the outset and don't believe his explanation. But . . . Liz decided to accept it and remain quiet. That's not what I would have done. I would have demanded an autopsy and investigation, starting with DNA analysis, but I'm a retired attorney and spent 14 years with the 3rd largest law enforcement agency in the US so I look at the world through a very different lens than Liz. She was a young woman and had no one else in the world, and the story was set a long time ago when the world was a very different place. Who would listen to her? He was a respected retired military officer and forensic evidence -- like DNA and other types of analyses -- was not collected the way it is today. She had a lot to lose by not just going along with his story, and seeking the truth would not bring back Alice of her adopted mother.


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irisf

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If Liz hadn’t discovered the truth o don’t think her father would have told her. Even if his story was true he would’ve been guilty of aiding and abetting a murderer. I also think that due to her mother’s diminished state she might have disclosed the nature of Alice’s death which would’ve meant trouble for her and her husband. I did believe his explanation of giving her the drugs but I wasn’t sure that he was saving his wife or helping himself.


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PamelaHD

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I think her father skirted the truth somewhat. The basic framework may have been close, but there were too many inconsistencies. He was used to getting his own way and he told what was beneficial to him and, probably, his conscience. Liz must have been so conflicted - he had raised her in a comfortable life so she must have felt affection for him. But his explanation of who Alice was and what happened to her was dicey. And what he told the policeman about her mother's death. . .even when he told her the "truth," was it to spare her mother or for his own safety?


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